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Post by amaddox on Oct 10, 2011 19:50:57 GMT -6
While the previous race season is still fresh in every ones mind I think now is the best time to begin thinking about next years racing season. With that in mind I believe we need to get the several different motors that are used specified down to one motor. However, the problem with doing this is that the Sherpa Jr. Sprints were built to run the Raptor engine. To run any other engine, a frame modification will need to be done to the outside right rear bearing hoop to allow the chain to be ran in the area that's currently occupied by the bearing hoop. I've shown several of you the modifications I've made to both my cars already. So with this being said there are two options:
1. Decide on a motor that can be mounted on both types of cars with the Sherpa cars having to making the frame modification and running the show as it is ran now with a Pro and Rookie Class. However, this will possibly prevent cars from coming out that can't make the changes to the frames.
2. Running the 2 styles of cars separate in their own classes. This will allow the Sherpa cars to continue to run the Raptor Engine and the Quarter Midgets can decide on a standardized motor to run for their class. By doing this there will be no Pro or Rookie class, simply the 2 classes of cars.
So, with this being said, lets get this issue resolved and get the class headed in the right direction.
Andrew Maddox 620-260-7651
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Post by littlehottie on Oct 11, 2011 6:48:16 GMT -6
i agree Drew. Something needs to be done in order for each child to be competitve. Doesnt make it any fun for them if they are getting outrun week in and week out. Lets put it in their own hands on how to drive instead of HP being the key. I understand that this is suppose to be a beginners class to begin with. But if you have an unlimited amout of cash to spend on these cars then thats not fair to the little ones. There are some of those motors on the quarters and sherpa that cost more than the micros! There is something wrong with that!!!!!! Lets keep it competitive and enjoy racing wheel to wheel.
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Post by wannabe on Oct 11, 2011 12:18:33 GMT -6
Ok guys and ladies.. I have spoken with many of you all in the later parts of this season and with the difference in the two cars there will never be a way that they can be run together without a good amount of moaning and graoning. This is not only my opinion but the opinion of most parents and grandparents that have kids in each style of car. It makes sense that with equal weight and hosepower that the quarters out run the Jr sprints because there is more set up invloved and the cornering capability SHOULD be greater if the quarters are set up right.
Do not take this as me saying that one car is better than the other but rather I see the cars are not the same other than looks.
I think the two class format should be the way to go. If we all need to run together.. The way to do that would be to all got to a national Jr sprint where the rules are set and everyone from 6 to 12 years old runs together. I dont think many of us that allready have Quarters and the smaller Jrs would really favor that since we all own cars allready. But it may have been a good option in the beginning. That being saidd I know there will be the argument that the younger kids will have to run with thee older ones in their respective classes,, but accross the rest of the country the kids class is run this way so I think we should be able to get it done as well.
I have talked with some of you guys about having a meeting about quarter midget rules and have been shooting for the second weekend in November. If I have not talked to you please give me a call or email.
Ben Barbo 620-952-3217 amilli.rainmaker@gmail.com
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Post by Black 49 on Oct 12, 2011 8:56:49 GMT -6
In my opinion the cars should run in seperate classes. The cars are different. With that being said if the cars do not show to run then you have to combine them and I completely understand that situtation. Here might be a different approuch: As an example the big race the GCAR just had was a great race and had a ton of cars show up do to the leg work that was put into promoting the classes for that race. With that being said my suggestion is to do the leg work and locate the cars in the area that are Sherpas. I compiled a list of at least 20 cars in a 60 mile radius that are still in the area that only a few still run. Many are not being ran. Who knows why? Maybe they need a simple phone call to regain the interest in GCAR or maybe to get them to let loose of the car. I know of 5 -6 possibilities of cars that are just collecting dust that are Sherpas/Snipers that are for sale. Not to mention Jason Martin can build new cars. That is my suggestion to try to build the car count at this time for seperate classes to be accomplished. If the cars are not there it only makes sense to run them together. This group of kids running these tend to get sidetracked with other activities. Just my thoughts. The track is top notch and the racing is good the interest just might need to brought back into the picture.
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Post by black 49 on Oct 12, 2011 9:05:22 GMT -6
Now to use the quarter midgets as part of the solution: The quarter midgets were brought into the picture due to the fact that they are more readily available for purchase. The Sherpa/Sniper cars were pretty hard to find for a while. Now the quarter midgets are growing because of the interest. When a parent is looking to get into this price and availabilty factor very high. Quarter midgets are averywhere and common with the construction and engines. The Sherpas are common to this area. So with that being said I see the quarter midgets continue to grow in numbers and have a full field due to availablitiy and cost. The Sherpa/Sniper class have to work with what they have if they want to have a seperate class. So either you find the cars out there or convience parents to have new ones built.
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Post by rad112 on Oct 12, 2011 19:01:58 GMT -6
First off I would like to say congrats to the guys and girls that participated this year in the Jr. Sprints. I saw alot of improvement in the kids over the season and that's what racing is all about.
Quarters and Sherpa/Sniper, two totally different cars. Ben said it, the only thing even close is the looks.
I think the Quarters should get together and agree on rules and the Sherpa/Sniper cars should get together and agree on rules. Have one class per type of car (Quarter and Sherpa/Sniper).
Sounds like to me that it would be difficult to even try to get a common motor between the two cars (Quarter and Sherpa/Sniper). One that will fit on one won't on the other and vise versa without alot of modification, that most people won't want to do. Richie Dewell
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Post by amaddox on Oct 23, 2011 18:35:04 GMT -6
Thank you everyone for all your input on this. It sounds like splitting the classes is what everyone wants to do so that's what we'll do. With that being said the Jr. Sprints need to get a motor rule in place. There are only a few options here. The first one is to go back with a restrictor plate. The second option would be to go with WKA or IKF karting motor rules. We would have to come up with a "tech" person if this is the option we go with. Another option would be to go with the restrictor plate and also have a few of the WKA/IKF rules as well. Simple checks like valve size and lift, piston pop out, head thickness, etc.
Feel free to post your thoughts and concerns as well as a time/place that everyone would like to meet.
Thanks, Andrew 620,260,7651
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Post by T Johnson on Oct 24, 2011 8:40:28 GMT -6
I would say lets go to a Gold plate rule for all JR's. Still can get the motors to perform and chokes out any big horsepower advantages. Simple to comply with and simple to check. If needed put them on and take them off each week.
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Post by T Johnson on Oct 24, 2011 8:46:54 GMT -6
Would like to hear from some of the rest of the Quarter-midget guys. If we are gonna split the classes I would like to run Tanner in both classes. Want to know what you guys are thinking you want to do. Looks like Barbos have taken the lead but would like to know what Wehkamps, Thortons, Vogts, Walkers and the rest of the crew are thinking.
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Post by Black 49 on Oct 24, 2011 8:59:50 GMT -6
The gold plate is a good start for the Juniors. Are we planning on running jrs and pros together?
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Post by T Johnson on Oct 24, 2011 9:55:41 GMT -6
Yes. Sorry. By JR's I meant Jr sprints. All non suspended cars would run a Gold Plate reguardless of age. If parents want to put a smaller plate on to slow the little guys down then that would be their option but they would be on the track with the rest. For the season prior to this one we hade Gold plates on the big kids and purple plates on the little guys and the racing wasn't bad when we had the cars. This year we pulled the plates trying to keep up and it definitely increased our speeds and RPM so that tells me the plates were doing their job.
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Post by shont2001 on Oct 24, 2011 14:14:38 GMT -6
The Thorntons (the elder Thornton) think the best case scenario would be for the Jrs and the qtrs to somehow have rules that would make them equal. It doesn't sound like everyone is confident that this could happen, or don't want to try to make that happen. Anyway, I quess if the classes are going to split we will have to make the best of it. Kale has a qtr midget so we will follow the qtr rules.
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Post by wannabe on Oct 24, 2011 16:15:51 GMT -6
I still believe there will never be a workable solution to get the two differect cars to be on equal ground. Like in my prevoius statement if there is an exact powermatch the quarters SHOULD (if set up correctly) will win the majority of the time.
Now as far as taken charge. I really haven't I would say,,,, but have rather volunteered to help get everyone together in order to establish what rules we will go by and enforce what is agreed upon. It is my opinion that our track mamagement and propmoters do not need to be bothered with weekley complaining issues so we should handle it this way so they can stay focused on promoting and running the track.
Again I am voulenteering and if thats not what is in the interest in everyone elese I am finr with any other solutions.
As far as rules I want to hear opinions on what everyone wants. I wanted to have that meeting for the quarters (and anyone elese that would like to listen in) on November 12 at 11 am still working a location because I am not a Garden city resident.. open to suggestions!!!!
What I was thinking is probably and weight rule to start
I would also like to hear opinions on the motor or power options.
In my opinion I, and I assume everyone elese that was paying attention could see that there is a limit to how much power these cars on the little track can handle. Too much and the little tires just cant get bite. It also appeared to me that there was not much change is lap times when the plates were taken out of cars.. Not that I can see anyway other than a couple of cars.... Bottom line on that is there are ways around restrictors and it doesnt seem like I am the only one who saw that.
Bottom if we are looking for opinions I personally think they shoul be split and have a set of rules set by the parents involved in each class.
I do not speak for anyone else............
If you have any questions that can be directed to me please do so. I will once again list me phone and email.
Ben Barbo 620-952-3217 Call or text amilli.rainmaker@gmail.com
Disclaimer: I do not type worth a crap.... Please see what I tried to type and ignore the terrible spelling...
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Post by wehkamp on Oct 24, 2011 16:42:34 GMT -6
I believe the simplest solution is to split the cars, setup rules for each class and go racing. There is a reason all the cars at the raceway don't run together. They are different. Each class of cars run with their own. I want to thank Ben for volunteering to coordinate everything for the quarter midgets. I'm hoping this resolves issues and we can go racing.
Randy Wehkamp
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